65 Klein & Quenzer, Idar-Oberstein. Furthermore the matching case of issue. I've had this Iron Cross for a few years which I purchased from a dealer, in good faith, believing it to be genuine and not not a reproduction/fake. by Bankers 30 May 2006, 16:30. Known Silver Content Marks on EK2: SILBER: Quarter . Post. 19. 11286 German WW1 Iron Cross First Class medal EK1 vaulted magnetic screw back. Makers markings are located on the ribbon ring that is a large ring through a smaller ring--in which through the larger ring--the ribbon for the Iron Cross is put through. Although it was distributed in great numbers, the superior quality of the crosses manufactured remained consistent. It appears to be the traditional construction: a two piece silver frame surrounding an iron core. 2nd class. View Details. The Black Cross (Schwarzes Kreuz) is the emblem used by the Prussian Army and Germany's army from 1871 to the present.It was designed on the occasion of the German Campaign of 1813, when Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia commissioned the Iron Cross as the first military decoration open to all ranks, including enlisted men. 11 posts Page 1 of 1. hidalgo75. . Pictures 3 & 4 are the Iron Cross 1st Class. . I asked him how he knew that and he said that in the early 90's a well . The top of the case shows an Iron Cross. Fig. Fig. It appears to be the traditional construction: a two piece silver frame surrounding an iron core. 8323 German Luftwaffe Ground Attack Badge post WW2 1957 pattern maker: ST&L. Pre-owned Pre-owned Pre-owned. . The larger Knight's Cross measured 48mm in width and height. Location 19. WW2 Bar to the Iron Cross 1st class 1st type - Material: die struck alloy, with silver finish and brass hinge, pin and hook This bar was awarded to recipients of the 1914 Iron Cross 1st class who were subsequently awarded the 1939 Iron Cross during WW2 First class Iron Cross marked L/11. 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz (Iron Cross) This page lists all the know manufacturer's markings found on 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz manufactured up to 1918. From this time, the Black Cross was featured on the Prussian war flag . The cross looked good to me. . WW1 1916 Austro-Hungarian Medal The Karl Troop Cross With Original Ribbon . On this one you can see a little ko stamped on the top which is a sure sign the cross is real. The larger Knight's Cross measured 48mm in width and height. 10 Steps. . The original finish is still 100% throughout the obverse and reverse. The Iron Cross in the same class cound not be awarded a second time, so the 1939 bar was introduced. Deschler & Sohn = 1 C.E. a WW2 Iron cross class 1, maker number 26, for sale Which is in its original box and both in imaculate . The obverse depicts a raised "W" in the center with a Prussian crown at the top and the date, "1914" at the bottom leg. Klasse, or EK2 or EKII). Member. 25 AdGH 195.00 No maker stamping evident. First look for any markings on the ring. Original period award document named to Luftwaffe Air Gunner/Radio Operator/Bomber Crewmember Obergefreiten Josef Knepper. However, I do not wish to name the dealer concerned openly on the Forum. . Iron core. 1914 Iron Cross 2nd Class on its original ribbon. On this one you can see a little ko stamped on the top which is a sure sign the cross is real. WW2 IRON CROSS 2nd CLASS - MAKER MARKED "65" - WITH ENVELOPE OF ISSUE : SOLD ref:trm-ekiimm6-bg ; More Images; WW2 Iron Cross 2nd class - ring maker marked - "65" for maker 'Klein & Quenzer A.G.' of Idar-Oberstein a.d. Nahe - with envelope of issue also with the correct maker mark 'Klein & Quenzer A.G.' - with original period ribbon He became a Jagdstaffel commander during that war, and an advisor to the Luftwaffe during World War II. Attached by the recipient after the award. MAKERS MARKINGS #'s and NAME of manufacturer. This does not indicate . . 250.00. Rittmeister Carl Bolle (also as Karl Bolle ), PlM, MMC, HOH, IC (20 June 1893 - 9 October 1955), was a fighter ace with 36 aerial victories during World War I. Three-part construction. 9: EK1 marked for Godet. Not to be confused with Carl Bolle (18211909), a German naturalist and collector. by Bankers 30 May 2006, 16:30. It sits atop a plaque marked "1939". Here is a list of 1939 Iron Cross 2nd Class makers markings. This example as removed from a tunic. Location: San Francisco, CA, USA. $78.89 . The illustrations show a First class Iron Cross made by Godet, Berlin, and an example of a Second class with the same core (Fig. I asked him how he knew that and he said that in the early 90's a well . Maker marked to the ring. Louis Schneider, the Privy Court Councilor and Reader of his Majesty the King, notes in his 1872 work, The Book of the Iron Cross, that King Wilhelm I re-instituted the Iron Cross with an order dated 19 July 1870, the very day of his beloved mother Queen Luise's death. Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. New New New. Pair of Full Size Replica Iron Cross Medals with Ribbon Germany/Prussia WW1 WW2. Excellent condition, slight damage to the paintwork on the front side. The cross looked good to me. Layaway plan, FREE shipping worldwide, best prices, RARE items, come & see ! TOOLS. 65 Klein & Quenzer,. The screw-back is a round, fluted concave type. The detailing is good throughout the bird and wreath. 11286 German WW1 Iron Cross First Class medal EK1 vaulted magnetic screw back . Regular version, without frame adjustment next to swaz. IRONCROSS #32725 Imperial 2nd Class Iron Cross. An iron core may also have traces of rust after over one hundred years - or less, in the case of WW2 examples. Joined: Apr 8, 2010 Messages: 1 . 99.99 Crosses are often found unmarked and you must compare frames and cores to known examples to find the maker. Joined: 24 Aug 2005, 20:01. Hersteller (Manufacturer) Marking: Maker: Location + Unknown: Unknown: A: Assmann: Ldenscheid: AP: Unknown: Unknown: AWS: A. Werner & Sohne (See Manufacturer's Marks) Berlin: B: Unknown: . 179.99 . At least the frame tarnishes like silver and the core is magnetic. 175.00 Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. (Iron Cross) This exhaustive list of 1914 EK2 Manufacturers was put together by my friend Jens. Makers Mark Bottle, Original WW II German Medals, Pins & Ribbons, Original WW I German Medals, . A great many 1914 EK1 were manufactured in the Third Reich era and will be found with various markings which are outside of the scope of this reference. Iron Cross 1st Class by Sebastin J. Bianchi The Iron Cross 1st Class had the same dimensions and identical obverse features as the 2nd Class (44mm by 44mm). While it still looks genuine to me other collectors have questioned whether or not some or the Third Reich items purchased from this dealer are genuine or not. This is where a magnifying glass comes in handy. World War II was the first mechanized war, and the technological advancements were carried over to the awards industry - where previous Iron Crosses had been manufactured largely by hand, the Iron Cross 1939 was mass produced. Cross makers often have several variants that keep collectors on the hunt. Constructed of 3 pieces, the 1st class was a breast badge and therefore the reverse was a solid silvered metal plate with only the attachment mechanism present. To the right an original case for the Iron Cross 1st Class. AGH-Arbeitsgemeinschaft, Hanau 165.00 Iron Cross 1939. Oszeres, Jan 26, 2010 #23. chris222 recruit. ), daggers, Signs, Helmets . This Iron Cross has a fine patination throughout and all of the serrations are still crisp. For manufacturing process, please see the section in this article . (Iron Cross) This exhaustive list of 1914 EK2 Manufacturers was put together by my friend Jens. Rudolf Souval, Wien. The Black Cross (Schwarzes Kreuz) is the emblem used by the Prussian Army and Germany's army from 1871 to the present.It was designed on the occasion of the German Campaign of 1813, when Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia commissioned the Iron Cross as the first military decoration open to all ranks, including enlisted men. 99.99 Second try and slip a piece of paper between the . A great many 1914 EK1 were manufactured in the Third Reich era and will be found with various markings which are outside of the scope of this reference. E. Discussions on other First and Second World War militaria and collecting in general. Original black paint. Deschler & Sohn = 1 It has a maker mark "D-W" on the suspension ring. Post. 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz (Iron Cross) This page lists all the know manufacturer's markings found on 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz manufactured up to 1918. I asked the dealer what price he had on the cross and he told me that the cross was a repro. As worn by a veteran of both wars. Constructed of 3 pieces, the 1st class was a breast badge and therefore the reverse was a solid silvered metal plate with only the attachment mechanism present. 65 Klein & Quenzer, Idar-Oberstein. Real or Fake Iron Cross 1st class. Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. MAKERS MARKINGS #'s and NAME of manufacturer. 20: Maker's mark "L" on the ribbon ring, and the characteristic ninth bead in the crown's headband. I was recently shown a first class WW II iron cross marked L/11 on the pin. + $6.01 shipping + $6.01 shipping + $6.01 shipping. The Iron Cross 1st Class and 2nd Class shared the same dimensions, measuring 44mm in width and height. On the obverse, all grades featured a mobile swastika in the center, with the year 1939 on the bottom arm of the cross. Known Silver Content Marks on EK2: SILBER: Quarter . Same applied to the First Class, bar was then worn above the decoration. Posts: 21. IRONCROSS #37895 1st Class Spange with Screw-back This 1st Class Spange shows some wear and patination on the right wing as well as the swastika. . This is the usual place to find makers marks on the EKII. Juncker = 2 or L/12 Wilhelm Deumer = 3 or L/11 Steinhauer & Lck = 4 or L/16 Fritz Zimmermann = 6 Paul Meybauer = 7 or L/13 Grossmann & Co. = 11 Frank & Reif = 12 Gustav Brehmer = 13 L. Christian Lauer = 14 Friedrich Orth = 15 Alois Rettenmaier = 16 Made from cloth. WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. The document is dated "4, Juli 1941" This does not indicate . 65 Klein & Quenzer,. I asked the dealer what price he had on the cross and he told me that the cross was a repro. WW2 Iron Crosses were usually never pure silver, and the 1st Class pieces could have a core of iron, brass, zinc or other metals, an iron core being the most desirable from the collector's point of view. First class Iron Cross marked L/11. Hersteller (Manufacturer) Marking: Maker: Location + Unknown: Unknown: A: Assmann: Ldenscheid: AP: Unknown: Unknown: AWS: A. Werner & Sohne (See Manufacturer's Marks) Berlin: B: Unknown: . I was recently shown a first class WW II iron cross marked L/11 on the pin. The 1st and 2nd Class of the 1939 Iron Cross measured 44mm and were perfectly symmetrical, while the Knights Cross measured 48mm. 180.00 Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. WW1 German Iron . First look for any markings on the ring. Makers markings are located on the ribbon ring that is a large ring through a smaller ring--in which through the larger ring--the ribbon for the Iron Cross is put through. 11286 German WW1 Iron Cross First Class medal EK1 vaulted magnetic screw back. From this time, the Black Cross was featured on the Prussian war flag . An example of a 1914 First Class . $65.11 + $11.27 shipping + $11.27 shipping + $11.27 shipping. E. Fred Wiedmann, Frankfurt am Main 20. 8323 German Luftwaffe Ground Attack Badge post WW2 1957 pattern maker: ST&L. Pre-owned Pre-owned Pre-owned. WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. 138 Julius Maurer, Oberstein.. 250.00 Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. Cross makers often have several variants that keep collectors on the hunt. There are serrations for easy turning. If you choose the payment method in advance, please transfer the . 1914 Iron Cross 1st Class, maker 'W' 1914 Iron Cross 1st Class, silver backed in excellent condition, maker marked 'W' for Wagner of Berlin, broad pin, an excellent first class IC1 with a less common maker mark 225.00 Enquire about this item GM0015 1914 Iron Cross 1st Class $18.77 + $10.02 shipping + $10.02 shipping + $10.02 shipping. The actual iron cross in the middle is a separate piece from the outer frame. Crisply detailed 3 piece constructed Iron Cross 1st Class with magnetic center. I managed to get an unequivocal opinion: it is an early Deumer [Iron cross 1st class, without mark - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums Best regards Zoltan . 2nd class. Hosted by John G & William Kramer. WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. 856 Here is a list of 1939 Iron Cross 2nd Class makers markings. It has a maker mark "D-W" on the suspension ring. The black cover of the case has partially come off. These maker lists are always a work in progress and are the direct result of collectors bringing new information to the community. All three versions of the Iron Cross were emblazoned with the date 1939 at the bottom. Iron cross 2nd class of 1939 ribbon, full length 22.00 Iron Cross 1939. Medals, Waffen SS, Holocaust (star of David, Zyklon, etc. Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. Very good condition. The Iron Cross 1st Class had the same dimensions and identical obverse features as the 2nd Class (44mm by 44mm). Second try and slip a piece of paper between the actual cross and shell. Klasse, or EK2 or EKII). 9-10). 179.99 . Location. Of the three medals the Iron Cross 2nd Class was most common while the Iron Cross 1st Class . This is where a magnifying glass comes in handy. This is the usual place to find makers marks on the EKII. Picture 2 is the Iron Cross Second Class (Eisernes Kreuz 2. I will be comparing the WW2 iron cross which is a fake to a WW1 iron cross which is real. The Iron Cross 1st Class and 2nd Class shared the same dimensions, measuring 44mm in width and height. . There were 3 versions of the Iron Cross medal during the period of the Third Reich - the Iron Cross 2nd Class, the Iron Cross 1st Class, and the Knight's Cross.